all this relationship talk.. when will it end?!
November 17, 2006 at 4:49 am (Life, my existence, Social)
But I love it anyways.
Strack & I keep having these late-night conversations about relationships. & that’s a good thing. It’s always interesting to hear what comes out of my mouth about relationships, so here’s a brief summary of what I can remember..
- Affirmation is not definition: that is, my influence in someone’s(read: potential wife) life is not a score-card on my self-worth or my abilities. Ideally, she’d respond well to all my Godly influences, and when that happens, that certainly is encouraging, but it’s not going to be at every moment.
- Marriage is like school: You go to classes everyday & ya do the required homework & usually, if you don’t make a point, you lose the vision of why you’re even in school. If you get burnt out on classes, you’ll get burnt out on marriage. You must take the time (especially as a leader) to renew to vision & hope & goal of what you’re doing & why you’re doing it: Why did you marry this woman & what is the purpose? Remember God’s glory & mutual benefit unto Christlikeness. Don’t let yourself get cynical about the vision. If ya are, be renewed in Christ by Christ.
- Right & wrong aren’t black & white: There’s a gradient & you can live at whatever level you wish. We all know what’s “right” & “wrong.” Most of us are slackers & let things slip. We can do that. God will let us mess up our lives. Sure He’ll put some reminders along the path, but if we want to live at 10% of our capacity.. not changing the oil, not rotating the tires or filling ‘em with air.. our life isn’t gonna turn out so hot. We won’t exactly be in mint condition 40 years from now. What level are you willing to live with? How tight will the screws & bolts in your life be kept?
Oh, and Christine, we’re not so sure about that whole “men need to be needed” thing. We’re must more ready to say that we need to be understood, and want our actions to count. If my (not-yet-existent) wife (why do i feel the need to qualify that? anyways..) were to “come up” with ways for me to apply my knowledge/ability, I’m not so sure that I’d be as fulfilled as if I knew that on her own accord, she was interested in/liked conversation about that which I know/do and spend my time & energy on, and she was fulfilled in a deep & meaningful way in her identity/interests/values/goals by what I can provide. So perhaps, in that sense, I “need” her to be the recipient of what my life is churning out.. but I’d say that is just another way of saying, “we have the same goals/values in life.”
And those goals & values, I’m finding out deeply influence how I view any future relationship. My parents seem to have no/little goal or vision for their lives/marriage. And I don’t want that, to such a degree that I’d post yesterday about the unity of the “business model marriage” which held a very appealing aspect to me!
I had associated the “husband-worker and wife-mother model” with lacking unity of purpose. Conversely, the business-model was appealing because it had such a CLEARLY defined purpose. But these are extremes and need not associated. A traditional family role marriage can have great clear-cut purpose and vision that is well defined. It’s just a matter of how much you’ll slack off in setting it & fighting for it.
Well, if that’s not enough to chew on for awhile, come back tomorrow, cuz at the rate we’ve been goin’ there just might be more!
ThePhantom said,
November 17, 2006 at 11:23 am
Fadingdust, I have been married for 3.5 years or so.
if there is anything I have learned it is this, Marriage is about God.
Vision and purpose are helpful, but only if you are united on them, the only thing that will keep a couple truly united is God.
I hate to get theological, but the purpose of marriage as i find it in scripture, is to reflect God to the world. Cause when we all get to heaven marriage will be no more, because the Bride (Church) will be married to the Groom (God).
Any marriage, no matter what the “model” or internal personalities of the two, needs to be centered on Christ. The Husband needs to lead and wash his wife with the Word. He needs to provide for his family, and be a good leader and father to his children. This is all spelled out in the Bible. This is the Responsibility of the dude, not the wife. If this gets out of whack then the marriage and family will be hurting in some way.
My wife and I work out decisions and future together, but i am ultimatly responsible for providing and leading, not her.
I agree that men don’t need to be needed, they do need to be respected. (Also scripture read Ephesians)
There is a beauty of marriage that anyone can have, if they work together to follow the biblical model. (but this is hard work and a tough calling)
The fight never ends, the marriage is difficult, but very rewarding all the same.
Carmen said,
November 17, 2006 at 1:52 pm
Alright! keep on posting bout it…
as to the first point ya mention, i’d hope that though you’d be the spiritual leader in the relationship, that you would also respond to the godly influence she has upon you. Cause we girls need affirmation too, and maybe WE’RE the ones that need to be needed…
also, good going with the -unity of purpose can be found in either extreme or in the inbetween- and as phantom says, the world sees this godly purpose and should be drawn to Christ through us.
just thought i’d lend my feminine perspective… later
fadingdust said,
November 17, 2006 at 2:49 pm
What?? the chic needs to know she’s valued??
(That’s the goodness in blogging– if I forget “the other side” there’s always someone out there to bring it up)
That actually fits well with what I’m on about being united in vision & purpose.. it means in our “search for the (significant)other” there’s gotta be an honest valuing of the other person & their input. I don’t wanna have to lie & say that I value her(as a person and her influence/thoughts) if I don’t!
And on another level, Strack was saying the other night– as guys who always get the push to ’serve & lead no matter what’.. honestly, that’s really humbling to know the one who I’m serving.. would do the same back. Too bad it’s usually taken to be a pride builder that someone would put their time & energy into me..